Mawwage is wot bwings us togeffer

Okay so it was kind of weird tuning into the debating that occurred yesterday, over the second reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill. It was one of those events with a mix of fine oratory and interesting points (on both sides of the debate) along with some truly touching moments, and a healthy dose of flat out bigotry from the opposition.

The weird thing was (a) that some of these arguments were being advanced by otherwise reasonable people and (b) that I actually gave a shit about the whole thing.

As someone whose had a long and healthy opposition to the current surroundings of marriage (cultural, legal, etc) I’d historically been non-plussed by the rush of the mainstream gay community towards it. It wasn’t something that really spoke to me as a person. It’s possibly because I’m young(er) and also I don’t neatly fit into monogamy (although I mostly get read as straight) that I just didn’t feel the vibe from marriage.

Anyway, so it was kind of weird to tune in, and actually connect with it — to feel that this was actually an important issue being debated. Weird stuff the brain :)

4 thoughts on “Mawwage is wot bwings us togeffer

  1. mr_jez

    Conversely, I don’t particularly connect with it… ;o)

    Of course, I’m happy for all the folk I know that are passionate about the passing of the bill, and doubly happy for all the folk I know that have been waiting and needing something like this for many moons.

    Personally, I was hoping for something better than this clusterfuck of muddy legislation, that seems to be a lot more about an attempt to win votes than anything else. It would have been awesome to see a proper debate on the nature and role of marriage in modern Britain, and the extent and manner in which the state, and organised religion, should (or should not) be involved.

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    1. mostlyfoo

      Yeah, I didn’t expect to, it was kind of a strange experience.

      That was also what I was hoping for, and will still be hoping for, I’m not convinced adding this latest bit of legislation is going to provide that much of an obstruction to gutting the whole thing.

      Depending on how its framed it could be quite an easy pitch, as everyone can tell the CoE to stop interfering in other peoples lives, they can stop being interfered with an get on with their quest to become irrelevant, and also the rest of us can stop the government from interfering more in our lives beyond somewhere we file the “these two people are joined” paperwork.

      Hopefully this will at least stop the current marriage/GRC clusterfuck.

      Not looking forward to the first divorce of a homosexual couple as I’m sure the press pundits will be all over it and we’ll see the same politicians trotting out the same tired arguments with “I told you so” on the front.

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      1. mr_jez

        The legislation itself won’t obstruct a proper debate and appraisal, but the amount of parliamentary time given over to the topic already may well do, for some years to come.

        Aye, I’m thinking that we need the state to be involved in the basic legal part of marriage (to clarify familial relationships for purposes of responsibility, inheritance and such), to which couples may choose to add a religious component, but matters of the human heart are rather more personal. Of course, that opens up the whole can of worms regarding the connections between church and state… ;o)

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        1. mostlyfoo

          Much needed can of worms I feel, I can see why they used to be so heavily intertwined for historical reasons but I’m really not so sure it’ll be useful in the future. But yeah, I can see the whole thing not coming up for a while now as everyone will be reeling from this (and fighting it after it gets bounced from the Lords)

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